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心理咨询师学习笔记30:咨询师的去理想化(柏燕谊)

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心理咨询师学习笔记30:咨询师的去理想化(柏燕谊)
1、理想化是什么?
自恋——一个人内在的心理健康水平。自恋水平健康,就自信,有恰当的焦虑和创造力、勇气等,生活比较平静。心理健康的标准,不是生活没有困难、冲突,而是当这些出现时,我们能坦然、有方法地面对,即便是灾难性的,也有承受能力。
自恋水平不健康的两种表达方式——退缩型:卑微弱小的表达方式;自大型:天老大地老二我老三,过度卷入。
2、咨询师对自己的理想化
夸大移情——我能照管住全世界,我能无所不能,我怀揣拯救的意愿,就一定能拯救来访者。实际上是把曾经想要拯救父母的创伤小时候拯救不了父母,拯救不了破碎的童年,但我对自己过于自恋的渴望没有得到实现,或者没有治疗和觉察其实不能拯救父母就对了,原本也不是你的事,跟你没什么关系,你只不过正好生长在那样一个待发展的家庭中,这只不过就是种相遇,而不是因为你能力知识水平不够而做不到)。如果没有这个觉察,就容易把这个移情到与来访,或者伴侣、孩子的关系中,想要拯救他们,这样会让自己过度卷入,甚至突破咨询边界。
3、咨询师对来访的理想化
做理想化父母——比如,把自己的来访收做干女儿。只要我足够努力,我的坏父母,就能变成好父母。咨询师的自恋不健康,想通过来访实现自己想要的结果。内在的去理想化:我没那么牛,也没那么傻,我就是在我专业范围内,做我该做的,不做不该做的,在这个位置稳稳待着如果自恋很脆弱,就容易讨好来访;如果自恋夸大,就容易无所不能地想让来访成为你希望他成为的样子。——容易形成控制
4、去理想化
在经典精神分析流派中的价值——控制与分离
内在自恋不健康时,势必通过外在关系的获得,提取自恋的填补或加持,所以控制会出现,分离会被制止。
在客体关系流派中的价值——1)依赖:你不跟着我,我就活不了了;2)权力:我什么都行,离开我之后,你就活不了;3)情欲:见到我就想跟我亲近;4)迎合:君王身边,既有实干者,也有马屁精,滋养和迎合自恋;或者讨好。
来访自恋不足的话,咨询师是无论如何也无法填满的。
在自体心理学流派中的价值——自恋剥夺
和解,就是接受-TA就那样。
5、答疑
1)有没有一段感情中既有移情还有投射,我需要区分这两个关系
移情和投射往往是同时发生的
移情把我过去和父母或者过往一些重要但没有处理的关系,转移到当下的关系中。
投射把我自己内心觉得不好、承受不了的东西,放到你身上。
比如,妈妈很严厉,常贬低我,让我有很多挫败,当我面对女领导时,就容易退缩,把对妈妈的感觉移情到领导上。如果哪天我感觉女领导白了我一眼,就会把自己内心觉得自己不被喜欢、不被信任等感觉,投射到女领导身上,觉得果然她不喜欢我。
2)反移情——在与来访者工作时,对方的言谈举止、故事内容触犯了我们内在的情感体验,这个叫反移情。

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  2. SHOW FULL COLUMNS FROM `fenlei` [ RunTime:0.000695s ]
  3. SELECT * FROM `fenlei` WHERE `fid` = 0 [ RunTime:0.002343s ]
  4. SELECT * FROM `fenlei` WHERE `fid` = 63 [ RunTime:0.000691s ]
  5. SHOW FULL COLUMNS FROM `set` [ RunTime:0.000481s ]
  6. SELECT * FROM `set` [ RunTime:0.003103s ]
  7. SHOW FULL COLUMNS FROM `article` [ RunTime:0.000668s ]
  8. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` = 464722 LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.005196s ]
  9. UPDATE `article` SET `lasttime` = 1770301099 WHERE `id` = 464722 [ RunTime:0.014730s ]
  10. SELECT * FROM `fenlei` WHERE `id` = 65 LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.005460s ]
  11. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 464722 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.011222s ]
  12. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` > 464722 ORDER BY `id` ASC LIMIT 1 [ RunTime:0.010720s ]
  13. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 464722 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 10 [ RunTime:0.012843s ]
  14. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 464722 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 10,10 [ RunTime:0.052969s ]
  15. SELECT * FROM `article` WHERE `id` < 464722 ORDER BY `id` DESC LIMIT 20,10 [ RunTime:0.020421s ]
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